Question about "initialization" !

I'm thinking to take refuge?/initialization to TBS at Singapore.

why ?
1. After blessed by one master from Canada around Sep 2002
   all things she promised did not happen !
   I respect her will to help, but spiritual beings behind her
   is not as strong as as human's will to help !
2. Nothing happen, unless some spiritual visiting and dreams
   A. spirit of master Lu (or just take a form of)  visited me
   B. The real spirit behind the master from Canada speak to
       me in dream.
   Those visitings did NOT violate any spiritual law, so can be
   done easily !
3. I feel (can't see spritual world) they are fail to help.
  They tried, but failed.
4. Now, in order to give them more chances, I'll take refuge.
  Based on universal spiritual law, this will give them
  more power to help !

any comments .... ?  ::)

VS

Howdy to you!

Hmm I know not of another way to answer your question with a blunt manner, but do believe me, I mean well and no intention to critisize. (because I used to see dharma the way you do hehe ;)

First of all, as you may suspect, blessing and initilization have little to do with "what you wish to get" in life. Going into a temple, making a vow to do good in order to exchange better merits in life is not wrong. But yet, the granting of blessing is not a business deal. Meaning, its not as "exchange" of goods or promises. Whatever we deserve in present, are fruits of whatever seeds we planned (both good/bad deeds we commited many carnations passed). This sadly is a shocking truth that no mortal wish to accept.

HOWEVER, by taking the refuge in faith and thru submiting your time practicing and understanding the ways of Dharma (perhaps you can refer to grandmaster's books too!) you are changing/altering what you are in the present-- that in times, by changing your thoughts/personality/habits thru such diciplines *will definatly* reward you more than what you expected.

Its not about asking why did my expectations not met, its about what I am willing to change for the better, in order to receive greater. Mind you, the Buddhas and Gods do not owe us any favours to begin with. It is human's choice to commit karma and remain in suffering. We who remain here in present are guilty of the same crimes.

But a hint to you, they are often quite softhearted and giving. You just need to believe what your hearts content hehe ;)

I hope this helps in little way!
*bows*

thank's for response !

I like your style: willing to tell your idea, w/o worry about 'wrong' or 'right' ! Your idea is inline w/ Buddha teaching, I knew it since at least 4 years back.

At human level, all of us is suffering from prisons of 'truth' !

A. budhism:
b. christianity: suffer from believing Jesus to save ...
   but now u see, middle east ... 3 big religions fights each
   others .. u know lha the rest ... so shame-full
c. etc .. you can list
d. I my self suffer from things I want ...

finally, from my own experience, I came to 'no truth but emptyness/void ...'  bla..bla..bla... finally I choose to bondage my self to human desire, and forget about emptiness/truth/void/... because they just a sophiticated excuse from spiritual being to avoid 'bondage' to human's wishes !

Now, see from spirtual side, if spitual beings must work to fullfill all NORMAL human's wishes (job, health, cancer, oil, green house, food, etc), they will died due to extra hour of works ! I want not to go deeper ...  and I can guess what next things of reply ...


can/able you to accept/handle the truth ?! I do NOT think so ... you start scares and your mind start to generate excuses, from A -- Z !  why ? b'cause you are slaved to your mind ! espcially when your 'guide spirit' starts to wishper somethings...

do you recall ? ... when Master Lu doubt about something, then the ... advice him to keep the faith ... probably at "flying carpet from East" early chapters after He discussed about dharma with editor from Taiwan publisher. It is teach us that every believer has their own guards to protect the truths/dharma !

based on my strong* IQ, I choose bondage to human desire, and LET THOSE SPIRITUAL BEINGS to help, just to
1. to prove that they are as strong as written in books and
2. to prove that they are as nice as written in books !
3. and the ONLY desire is to help and to help not more not less
And after that, I will pay back !

This is NOT business, BUT A PROVE FOR THEIR HOLY-WORDS !
Can you see the OTHER SIDE OF TRUTH ????! How nice for those spritis just No-Action-Talk-Only !


I am already very sick with promises from christiany platform,
the Bible says Jesus heals, but a lot of people suffer from sickness and broken family in church. If small things like illness and broken family can't be healed how can be a God ???
oops ... at Sep 2002 one Angle of Jesus healed me from insomia !!!

I expect you can BREAK/FREE your self from the endless cycle of karma ... and see the truth ... I think Master Lu know it !
Some bigs points I believe in Master Lu are:
A. He can married (not bcs of past culvi...??)
B. He utilize full power of human mind
C. He want to confess that spiritual world has weaknesses
Unbeliveable !!! (in positive senses)

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Hey, my words seems harsh, but my personaly is the opposite ! Anyway, I am suspending my thanks for Master Lu and the master from Canada ... let's see, how strong and nice they are .... you might think that I do not respect them, actually is the opposite one !

Thank's
VS

Back to my original question,
Can take refuge gives budhas more power to help ?

1. Initialization will impart 'monitoring spirit/s' to the people
   will this help ?
2. How if the opposite fight back ?
   will the monitor spirit to be kick-out from the house ?
3. are there er methods that bring same effect of refuge ?

I think readers know better ! pls give me your better answer !

Best regards,
VS

Brenda

nice to hear your wise talk again :-)

Mimosa

Thanks alot Buddhafly ! :)

Tomorrow I will visit the Sangha to ask for futher help !

Previously, I donot care about the similar advice like Varja Protectors, why ? if GM Lu want to help why just '1st half' of solution, and the other half is open for 3rd party to strike back ! So, think it is just a tricky help !

In christianity, help from God mostly are complete and complete ! But certain cases like 'half' also, this is based on my personal survey.

Around 2 weeks ago, I felt (can't see) some spirit/s of Master Lu try to attrack me to visit Sangha, and in fact I tried 3 times to visit Sangha but did't enter the door just standing outside ! I don't know why !

At the same time, some C-spirit try to attrack me to church ...
And this is the starting point where I start to SUSPECT STRONGLY that C-spirit has some BAD INTENSION ! [can't see nor prove, just estimating ... we'll see the 'prove' next few weeks ! so, C-spirit might be false spirits pretend as good spirit]

Unfortunately, Jesus NEVER-NEVER-NEVER come to help me on this case: A) Kill C-spirit nor B) bring true love ! this make me things that He is a FAKE god, or LOW-CLASS spirit like a dog ! Even, when I was a fanatic christian, I ALWAYS review my religion ! I'll do this when join Master Lu !


The center point of my judgement is the promise from Master of Canada, She promised me that I will get the girl I love ! This is the KEY ! If She able to bring true love, means able to 'handle' C-spirit, as well as able to subdue it, and it is a prove that Master Lu and the gangs are stronger ! And if some how Jesus did not come to fight back, something wrong in c-haeven: Jesus and the gangs are NOT able to protect his people from Lu !

notes:
1. C-Spirit ALWAYS prevents me from loving a girl, even the girl is naked or ready to die for me !
2. I always* get the best* girls, but always fail bcs C-spirit block it


Since got the promise at Sep 2002 to 29 Nov, I constantly received pressure from C-spirit to reject the girl ! This make me thing that C-spirit is evil. I surrender, in hoping Master Lu and gangs somehow come to help ! Finally, at 29 Nov, I decide to take refuge in expectation will give more spiritual rights for Master Lu to help.


Some surprise things happend:
1. Since 30 Nov the 'BAN' for true love suddenly leave
2. since then, I can LOVE the girl, and the girl still there to welcome, even left for almost 1 year, and still lot of boys surrounding her !
3. but this only last until 4 Dec evening ! the oppression from C-spirit start again, my feeling of love gone ! and the joy of love is gone with it !
4. This sequence of events PROVES to me that C-sprit is EVEIL SPIRIT and the worse is Jesus and gangs do NOT-NOT-NOT come to help !!!


Those events make me to decided to go with master Lu,   church's teaching still stick on my head: budha and the gangs are false/evil spirit ! I don't care any more !!! >:(

FYI, your msg is a CONFIRMATION for me to go to Lu !  ;)

I expect Master Lu is able to handle C-Spirit, and the sign is the ability to love the girl starts to operate !

I expect Master Lu sends His most powerfull spirits, not just fews in past !  8)


thank's *bow*
VS


a. During 30 nov to 4 dec, it is VERY EASY for me to 'pray' to Master Lu,    just om-ah-hum I can contact (feel the present) of budhism spiritual world !  And I always feel a VERY JOY AND PEACEFULL !
b. But since 4 dec evening those ability gone !
c. During my waiting, late Sep 2002, some spirit of Lu's gangs try to monitor me (at least 2 times), and they report to someone in Sangha to call me !  I knew, but just pretend innocent ! why ? I want them to bring the promise !
d. Now I start suspect that my energy drain for 2.5 days on Sep 2002 may come from C-spirit in order to prevent me to join Lu. But I has no prove until now (read my other posts)
e. I try to post my jurney here, just as a prove to me and reader, that if a religion is good and right, nothing to hide !

do come back and share your experience with us.

your freind in dharma

Mimosa

:D I  just pay a visit to Singapore Sangha !

Surprise-surprise-very-surprise, the master from Canada just arrive at Singapore and helps people with 'devination?'. It is very good opportunity for me to talk to her ! She's Master Lin Ho, she gave me name-card, seem that spirit behind her told her to give name-card to me ! don;t know why ? just ask the higher-spirit (named ASETA) if u curios !

Now I understand, that 2 weeks ago, a 'small' spirit fly/come from Sangha to invited me to visit Sangha. Now I know, the purpose  is  'go to next step' of my jurney into TB. The small spirit talk to me during my dinner, directly to my spirit, not via spiritual eye nor ear ! I was trainned very well when was a christian to distinguish between: human spirit, human soul, mind, conscience, ego, spirits of Jesus, spirits of non-Jesus, etc ... w/o need to see the spiritual world nor hear ! probably similar to 'divine-heart' ? pls comment !

Now wonder, next day after the small spirit visiting, the C-Spirit urged me to attend church, in fact C-spirit knew that I decided to draw a line from Jesus. I RESPECT Jesus, but just do NOT understand why He stay-freezed there do not come down to help me for love ! I still able to 'pray in tongue' ! C-Spirit tried to prevent me from Lu !


Master Lin Ho very interest with my experience ... and help me w/ talismans, and teach me starter 'mantra' om guru .... u knew ! I knew, NOTHING inside the mantra, but the 'stamp' she put on me is the key ! It seems the stamp starts works !

I'll back with stories, need to wait for days bcs expecting some unwanted or happy things might happen !

Small questions: why Master Lin Ho sooooo interesting on Master Lu visiting to me next day after I took 'hu'/talisman from Her ? She said it is a 'bless' ! I donot understand what kind of bless if it is not in form of money, healing, peace, love, ... etc !

Master Lu visited me at 8am morning 14 Aug 2002, few seconds after I wake up, I ignored Him and went for shower, and when I back to my room, He was still there, I could not able to drove Him out of my room, and He insisted from me 3 pieces of thanks. After I bowed and said "thanks" 3 times, a peacefull was injected and He went off.


see you !

First, thank's to Master Lin Ho *bow* and the small spirit (I don't know his name)  :)  Pepsi blue-chilled-cola for you in order !

The thing I ask for help from Master (5 Dec 2002) is to release me from oppression? of C-Spirit that kill my sense of love, sense of hapiness, sense of romance, ... etc which finally
prevent me from getting any girls !

The pressure still continue even during my conversation with Master ! I struggle for 3 days, questioning about the ability of Master, and start to dis-believe, but Master is the ONLY hope, I will NOT turn to Jesus and the gangs, proves tells me they are impotant !

In short, the pressure does NOT exist any more since 8 Dec 2002 !!! ...how to say thank in budhist  ??? Helleluyah  :P

IF the pressure come back, I'll post again !
FYI, the energy drain never come since than !

This is JUST the FIRST step toward the total fullfillment of promise by Master Lin Ho that "You will get the girl you love" (the exact cite) ! I mean the promise from the SPIRIT that work behind Master, not the human side ! I will NEVER complain to human side of Master, in fact very respect, but the spirit behind her MUST-MUST-MUST work to fullfill it !

In fact I got a very strengh dream, was told to Master, but not at this forum unless everythings complete ! (If I remember, donot promise any things)

Thank's again to Master Lin Ho *bow* !

The story will continue, but donot wait, take time !