What is the "Universe" in lineage ?

Hi !

quote from "The Importance Of Lineage Transmission" http://www.tbsn.org/english2/talk.php?id=18&classid=2


"... Vajrayana (Tantric) Buddhism Nyingmapa, Kagyudpa, Gelupa, Sakyapa, and the Universe"


This is my very question since very long ago, WHAT IS THE UNIVERSE in budhism teaching ?  ???
1. the Big Bang of Stephen Hawkins ?
2. Superman, Batman, Magneto ?
3. Lord of Atlantis, code number 49 ?
4. Lucifer, Mother of universe ?
5. nothing, just a virtual figure ?
6. Just a concept to alignment teaching ?

Do u feel safe to "serve" something that is not cleared indentified ? or it is known, and kept in secret ?


Implicitly, Lineage concept tells the MILITRISTIC/DECIPLINE  nature of spirtual world of budishm, I quess 99% of followers do NOT reliased it !  See the pros and cons, positive and negative side of such 'way' !  ;)


Thank's for those that response !  :)

After reading your response, I think I miss one very special way of thinking of budhism, they TRUST 100% teacher, regardless of what the teachers say, even WRONG !
Thanks for that (in positive sense)  :)

I heard FALSE alarm about GM Lu at late 90s, but 3 years later, those same guys turn around to defende GM Lu ! They are budish, I was a fanatic Christian ! But inside me knew, that GM Lu the true teacher ! this is just ONE OF EXAMPLE of trusting 100% the teacher w/o re-evaluation the teaching ! If I trusted church teaching for 100% w/o re-evaluation, I might NOT come to GM Lu today for "higher-level" (qoute from Master Lin Ho)  !

Good teacher should SHARPENING the mind of students, NOT to make it dull, so when the teacher fall into sins, greedy, and the likes, those student do not follow  :D This methode, in turn, finally will protect the Dharma  :D it self from bad-side-of-human-effect, and eliminates the ego of the teacher, how nice ! so, If the teacher has hidden/un-aware agendas, it will not prevail ! this is a 'PERFECT' ;D COMBINATION to avoid 'chain command of falling' !

GM Lu shows that kind of method, implicitly, I have not read it explicitly declared ! Please show me if you find it !

How do you think ? I expect it shifted your opinion a bit !
Actually a lot of ways to fool the method, but it's ok !

Despite my response sound a little bit negative, but personaly, for TBS, esc GM Lu as leader, I can trust 100%, with routine check on teachings !

But from teachers point of view, IF students start to questioning, they are starting to loose respect ! So to overcome it, they must come with something special ! That's why GM Lu is un-paralel with all magical powers !

I just worry the next general of TBS, can they as true as GM Lu ? History of religions told us NO-NO-NO-NO, probably TBS is an exception ? only spiritual being can see the future 80% !

However, if we observe a religion from objective/neutral point of view, the author of the book MUST BE identified for many positive reasons !!! For example, if you receive bomb thread from SMS, it would be nice to know who send it ! as well as when you receive an SMS that notify about winning a 1-million lottere !


Based on His book, I think we get a glimps of the FIRST ANCESTOR, but not the ultimate ! I expect GM Lu told us, WHO or WHAT the universe is ?!  ::)

If my vision of religion is limited to human level, GM Lu is enough, but for me, I ask for more, like Pepsi advertising, more philoshop..?..

q:
Grand Master is clearly identified, and his many earth-inhabiting teachers are identified, and he describes the teachings he receives from Padmasambhava, etc. through more subtle means.  Somethings he did not reveal at first, when he thought the revelation would not be helpful.  So some things were secret, but I don't think Batman has ever been involved!  His tradition comes from where it comes from.
--> that is why I believe Him/GM !


But, as far as the teachings go, GM and others have pointed out that they are teachings within the mainstream Buddhism.  
When people go attacking, they don't attack what GM teaches, they go to attack him personally.  
--> for me, attacking a person in religion is useless*,
because the person is servant of higher being behind the religion ! but anyway, how can human attacking the spirit behind it ? no way !


Militaristic?, I mean the chain of commands, as well as penalties and rewards ! I don't know how deep you saw into spiritual realm, but based on reports almost 24 hours,
there ARE WARS, and fictims are everywhere ! w/o militristic style, the kingdom will falls aparts ! That's why I support 100000% of lineage !

did you get fresh ideas, or still consider to accept/reject it ?

Anyway, your response re-call me about special way of thinking of budishm, and I respect it !

Thank's *bow*  ;)

In The Annotated True Buddha Sutra, Grand Master refers to 'the Heart', one's Own Heart, and gives it several names. Another way of saying 'cosmic consciousness'. It is the 'Om' in "Om, Ah, Hum"
It is the innermost essence at it's ultimate innerness at which it becomes outerness, and the outermost essence at its outermost outerness, at which it becomes innerness.
It is the merging of the micro and the macro.
It is the going forth (ah) and the coming back (hum)
It is x=0 y=0
It is x=infinity, y=infinity
Same thing, these two.
Om is the ground. Ah is positive. Hum is negative.
It isn't any of these things, but I had fun playing with the words.
If they amuse you, then good. If not...well.... ;)

My understanding of the UNIVERSE is something MUCH-MUCH BIGGER compares to human's spirit ('sheng'), this is true when you read the hierachy mentioned by GM Lu on the quote !

Now, You try to explain the UNIVERSE by pointing to human's spirit, why ?

Some loossy translations used 'third eyes', 'kundalini', 'cosmic',
'sub-conscience', 'Heart', etc ! But in essence they are pointing to THE VERY HUMAN SPIRIT ! It's FORM/SHAPE IS EXACTLY FOLLOW HUMAN'S biology body !

But my question about the UNIVERSE is something FAR BIGGER beyond human spirit ! do you try to help me from other point of view ?


Thank's  :)


I expect responses from seniors like Budhafly, mimosa, etc with their experience to see into spiritual budishm realm, and share the mental images !

Anyway, please explain more on "om, ah, hum" or links, because at early Dec 2002, just simply utter those words, I can contact, feel the presence of budhas spirits ! *bow*

hallo darrellmc, are you there ?   :(

Please response me by tell 'you are wrong man, the correct one is this...this and this' Don't just silent ! I am learning from you those basic skills !

Tell me those things I dont know, or probably this is a proper style of budishm, just silent if
a) can't tell it is 'too' advance
b) I'wrong, so shame to confess
c) I have a 'higher' knowledge that you should not know
d) You just dont understand what I got
e) You have not take refuge so not allowed to know ... what a crab ?

bla...bla... from negative to positive ... endless
z) Sorry, I went to junlge to camp/hike for 4 weeks, now just return to touch my Internet ! I expect it !

At least, tell me what is "Om Ah Hum" !

You 'math' on universe is actually tell me that I must  'merge'
my 'self' (human spirit) to spiritual realm where all things/material come from, also those gods come from there !

It is NOT-NOT-NOT the universe I asked, read the chapter of the book ! or I miss something ?

What I want to know it the ULTIMATE UNIVERSE in Linage !
Not like this: VS bin Master Lin Ho, bin Lu shen Yen, bin A, bin B, bin C, bin D, ... Arabic style to note descendent !


Waiting ... :-/

Sorry. Actually I posted a reply, but for some reason it didn't go on the board. I took that as a sign, and anyway what I had to say wasn't that important anyway.
The Universe defined? No such thing. I just like to play with words..that's all. For example 12/0, what is the answer? No answer. It isn't defined. The only correct statement you can make is 12/0=12/0 which has no information at all in it. Like saying what is, is. Neither the Universe or the human spirit is defined either. The one is not large and the other is not small. >Your 'math' on universe is actually tell me that I >must  'merge'  
>my 'self' (human spirit) to spiritual realm where all things/material come from, also those gods come from there !
Your self is already merged. You are already there. Stop thinking that you are not. It is like pondering the nature and origin of pain while hitting yourself on the head with a hammer.
Just stop it.
But on to a more practical matter, OM, AH, HUM. Almost all mantras contain these syllables in one form or another. If you experiment or have even a non-practitioner do it, by repeating OM, AH, HUM, you will find that the actual physical vibration seems to center in the brow point, throat area and dan tien area, respectively. Also, verifying by actual experimentation, OM seems to respond well to white color visualization, AH to red and HUM to blue.
These things are central to the tantric yoga practice. The little experiments I mention are not a practice, just an experiment. The nine round breathing exercise is a good starting place. It can serve to eliminate hindrances and to at least relax your mind and quiet it.
It is all right there in the TBS practice, and refuge is critical to that. I won't go into advanced, etc. I don't really believe in such terms. On the contrary, I am always being amazed at how simple it all really is! If you think you are advanced or that I am, you are wrong.
I have no advice. I am not a teacher. All I can say is find a good teacher and learn to really meditate. It is not that difficult to tell a good teacher and a good methodology. I am not a 'cheerleader' for TBS, but I never met so many great teachers in one place. This the real deal.

Thank's !